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  • ‘Tis the season for writers conferences. All over the country, hopeful aspiring writers are breaking open their piggy banks and digging their savings out of tin boxes under their mattresses and hieing themselves off to invest in their commitment to their craft.

    And I salute you people. You bet I do.

    Because you finance all those writers conferences. And I’m here to tell you those conferences—while often brilliant, thrilling, and enormously helpful—are not always all they’re cracked up to be.

    I’ve been to my share, and I’ve also taught plenty of fiction, myself. So when I show up at a writers conference these days and find myself rubbing shoulders with authors/teachers/presenters who are only there for the free doughnuts and expensed party out of town, with little or no concern for the people who actually paid to be there. . .I get a little irritable.

    I get especially irritable because 99.9% of the people who pay to attend writers conferences give these authors/teachers the utmost in polite, respectful, student-like attention, whether they deserve it or not.

    And because writers conferences themselves are billed as opportunities to meet and connect with professionals in the writing industry.

    For the record, when I attend writers conferences these days I’m there as an educator, not an attendee, and this list is compiled of my experiences from the professionals’ side of the fence. While out there attending (and evaluating!) writers conferences, folks, be aware that you’ve paid for something, and if you’re not getting it you have the right to complain.

    Things that should set off your bullshit alarm:

    1. A presenter who can’t teach anything but themself.

    2. Say you show up for a seminar called Make Your Novel Happen! You’re ready, by god. You’ve got a novel (or at least a bunch of pages you think of fondly as a sort of misshapen favorite manuscript). You’ve got love of the craft. You’ve got a basic understanding of the enormous amount of sweat and dedication it takes to produce a really good work, and you’re under no delusions about how much of that you might not yet know.

      You’re here to learn.

      And you spend two hours sitting in a hard, uncomfortable chair in a room full of strangers listening to someone possibly quite animated and charming talk about. . .how they made THEIR novel happen.

      Huh, you’re thinking. I didn’t know I signed up for a seminar on their novel. I thought I signed up for a seminar on MINE.

      But you know the publishing industry is made up of professionals who approach the work professionally, not a loose conglomerate of tens of thousands of whiny, disgruntled amateurs. And you’re willing to approach this work professionally.

      So you’re willing to listen to a presenter talk only through the lens of their own work as much as you possibly can. Hey, you’re thinking. Everyone’s style is different. This is this presenter’s style.

      And you’re a good sport about it. They’re enthusiastic about their novel. Oh, boy! Maybe they’re even entertaining about enthusing over it. So when they burn up a certain amount of class time trying to find someone with copies of their books and, when they do, jump up and run over to see if what they’re thinking about is in the copy somebody pulls out, you’re willing to roll with it. Maybe there’s something important in that book they want to read to you, and they somehow simply managed to forget to bring a copy from home.

      But when they hand the book back, saying, “Yeah, this copy has it,” and go on with their talk about themself without relating either that book or what they found in it to what they’re saying in any way. . .

      Yeah. You’re a teeny bit disgruntled.

    3. A presenter who doesn’t know any writing techniques or standards but those they, personally, accidentally stumbled upon writing their own novel(s).

    4. All over out there I hear about “pantsing,” as in, “I never outline. I don’t have to.” And I find this extremely bizarre, because writing a novel is not filling out the crossword puzzle on the back of a cereal box. It takes an enormous amount of foresight and planning and note-taking and delving. (“‘When is he going to delve?’ I was asking myself.”—Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz & Guildenstern Are Dead.)

      And I walk around scratching my head, wondering where on earth aspiring amateurs got the idea they could write an entire salable novel without paying any attention to where they’re going with it. Because, let’s face it, none of us is as brilliant as E.L. Doctorow. Even John Steinbeck planned out his novels for years before he sat down to write them.

      So when I see a presenter at a writers conference stand up and say, “Don’t outline. It sucks the creative juices out of your story. It doesn’t take into account the life on the page,” a lightbulb goes on over my head, and bells ring in my ears, and suddenly I know: where they got the idea.

      Have I ever pantsed a novel? Of course I have! I’ve pantsed THREE novels. Then I learned how to outline, and that’s how I found out which way produces a marketable work. How about that.

      Does outlining “suck the creative juices” out of a story? Not if it’s done properly. If it’s done properly, outlining itself draws the creative juices from you, until you’re sitting in a veritable puddle of them and it’s all you can do to scribble it all down as fast as humanly possible. Outlining is all about taking into account the life on the page, so you can bridge the abyss between how it looks to you and how it looks to your reader. Then outlining continues to take that into account, drawing your creative juices in a controllable flow throughout the process of writing your novel, which is what you need in order to make it all the way through 72,000 words of storytelling.

      Practicing any technique improperly is likely to confuse you and steer you wrong to the extent that you conclude it’s the technique itself that’s causing your problems. It’s not the technique. It’s not being taught how to use that technique properly.

      And authors/teachers who haven’t happened to stumble across how to use a technique properly in their own work are the ones telling you not to use it at all.

    5. A presenter who can’t answer straight-forward questions on the topic of the session.

    6. Because, it turns out, they don’t know the craft of fiction. They only know themself.

      You’ve figured out they’re mostly only going to talk about their own novel. And you’re listening politely, taking notes, thinking as intelligently as you can about how to apply what they’re saying to what you’re doing with your novel. And when you simply can’t find the connection, you raise your hand and courteously ask for clarification on a particular technique.

      But you don’t get an answer on that particular technique. Or, rather, you get an answer on that technique as that author happened to use it in their novel.

      Of course, since you just spent the last hour listening to how that author wrote their novel, you’re already pretty conversant with that. So you ask again, still courteously, how to apply such a technique to your own work. (You’re not going to take up class time describing your beloved manuscript, but you do want to know how to apply such a thing in generic terms.)

      “Hey!” says the presenter excitedly. “Something shiny!”

      And the next thing you know, they’re off answering someone else’s question, which—if it’s about that presenter’s novel—turns out to have an answer it takes another hour to fully explore.

      This is quite a delicate situation for me, because I kind of want those aspiring writers to get the answers to their questions. But I don’t want to appear to be rudely taking over someone else’s students. So I wind up trying to remember what that aspiring writer looks like and finding them later to say, “Here’s my website. I answer these questions free on my advice column. There are real answers. Please—ask.”

    7. A presenter who relies almost entirely on advice out of a famous book on writing by someone else.

    8. This one’s a no-brainer: Anne Lamott and John Gardner. For the record, Anne Lamott wrote Bird by Bird, which she says right up front is basically just stories about her own experiences teaching fiction and writing her books. John Gardner wrote a whole slew of intellectual, rather academic books on the craft of fiction, but the one everyone talks about is On Becoming a Novelist. I refer to them a lot too, along with lots of other canonical writers who also wrote some very perceptive and charming books on the craft, indeed.

      Even worse is the presenter who relies on writing advice by someone whose name they can’t recall. And of course they didn’t plan ahead and write it down.

      Yes, it was Donald Maass who said, “Tension on every page,” and he said it in Writing the Breakout Novel.

    9. A presenter who dispenses their advice from on high and avoids any meaningful human contact outside the classroom.

    10. I don’t know how many times I’ve watched aspiring writers show up full of hope over the promise of meeting and talking with professionals in the industry because, after all, that’s one of the promises writers conferences hold out as an enticement. And then I watch them get dissed time and time again by presenters who are too Big and Important to cross the quad talking in all human connection with some plebeian who isn’t even published yet. I watch these presenters answer questions outside the classroom as quickly and unhelpfully as possible, refuse to make eye contact, and disappear without saying good-bye.

      Then I run after them into the private presenters’ lounge, and I kick them in the shins.

      You betcha. You’re welcome!

    UPDATE: The Other 5 BS Indicators for Writers Conferences

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21 Responses to “5 BS Indicators for Writers Conferences”

  1. I just wanted to say that I really appreciate how you’re doing these lists differently now. I love reading them. Thank you very much, and I’m sorry if I complained/rained on your parade some time ago about the lists!

    (Do you really kick them in the shins? ^_^)

  2. Terrific post. I suppose the only way to avoid handing over money for this sort of old rope is to check out the credentials of the speakers beforehand.

  3. I haven’t been to any yet but for some reason I understand all your points. I decided a week or two ago that ALL advice is BS…because it isn’t tailored to me and my needs as a writer or my particular novel.
    I’ve decided that I’m just going to write the best I can and take most advice under advisement…and not treat everything I hear as the Gospel.
    I imagine the issue is that the attendees of the conferences are so eager to learn and succeed that they will listen to just about anything. Always outline. Always pants. I feel like the goal of these things is to make every writer write literature but you know…it’s possible to write crap and sell it too.

    Just write. That’s my advice.

  4. Oh, this is all very to the point. Especially having come across this gem in the programme for a small local festival. I have removed the name to protect the cheeky man, but it really irritated me that he felt this was an adequate way to present himself:

    “Avoiding the conventional writers’ workshop approach, X will offer a personal reflection on his experiences as a writer and his approach to the art of writing and his approach to writing in a number of genres. Poet, short story writer,novelist, biographer, memoirist, screenplay writer and dramatist, X reflects on 30 years of literary experience both as a writer and teacher. In the second half of the programme he will give some readings illustrative of his talk, and will invite willing members of the workshop to share examples of their own work.”

    And you had to bring your own lunch!

    I shall now prepare my forthcoming two conference talks with great care.

  5. I haven’t been to any of these writing conference myself because I am a terrible student. I pretty much avoid anything technical and I am impatient with terms people use to describe things I think are self explanatory.

    However, I do realize that writing is work, which needs organization, planning and following certain rules. I have no patience with people who try to look or sound different and I definitely agree with you to peg it as BS when a writer says he or she doesn’t outline.
    It’s like they say they were possessed into writing.

    I am curious though, what do you think actually happened? Did they simply pretend or they did outline but simply termed it as something else?

  6. Victoria said on

    What do I think happened? I think that presenter stumbled on a good story and got a lot of help from their agent and publisher’s editor (and possibly more accomplished published friends) shaping it. Someone somewhere along the line knew plot structure or the book wouldn’t have been published. We heard later that that particular story was a true story that happened to someone the author knew, not even an original work of imagination, so it most likely came with its series of conflicts and climax built in.

    One-hit wonders often work that way, and those who fall in love with themselves as “published authors” tend to forget to give proper credit for their success where credit is due—or else are sincerely ignorant of its source.

  7. Fantastic post! I’ve been to one writer’s conference, and to tell you the truth it kind of sucked. However, I didn’t pay a ton of money to go, and it was fun meeting writer friends, but the only class I really got anything out of was the self-publishing class that NO ONE ELSE went to except a few other people. That class was valuable. Funny that everyone else was sitting in some other class probably being taught by someone full of themselves.

  8. Should that be “full of themSELF?” See, I need to hire you.

  9. I think you are absolutely right. The time spent at conferences and classes could so often be more effectively used at one’s desk writing, in my opinion. Reading your post inspired me to blog on the same topic here:
    http://bit.ly/RSAGy (8/5 entry)

  10. Thank you! I’ve been there – done that – so many times. It took years and many conferences for me to figure out some speakers don’t know any more than I do. I still go to conferences and enjoy the networking and camaraderie. I’ve found if I listen carefully, most presenters do have something worthwhile to share. Not all. I did complain after one agent’s ‘workshop’ I paid extra to attend. I felt I had wasted my money and two hours of my life.

  11. Thanks for the post. For the most part I agree with you. Iv’e certainly attended my share of talks where the presenter is mainly indulging in a love fest with him or herself. Not very helpful

    I do want, though, to offer an alternate perspective on the plotter vs panster debate. First, I am a published author with 12 books, and novellas, two upcoming novels and under contract for two more.(I write, by the way, for Berkley Books and Grand Central Publishing, which I mention because I would like to be clear that I have at least some credibility on the issue!)

    I happen to be a panster. I do almost no plotting in advance because, in fact, for me, it’s destructive to my writing. I know this because I tried, oh, did I try, to plot — to do the planning in advance. At one point– when I was not getting published, I had a 70 page outline. When I tried to write that book, it was dead on the page. For far longer than was sensible, every time my story deviated from my outline, I backtracked and deleted and forced the story to stick to my plan.

    The result was horrible — characters that weren’t interesting and oh, I get hives just thinking about that experience. It wasn’t until I gave up the outlining and advance work that I was able to complete a novel. And since then, I have sold every single book I’ve written, most, of course, have been written under contract. My doorstop novel is the one I tried to plot and plan in advance.

    It’s not that I work entirely without structure, but for me it’s minimal and I never look more than about 3 chapters ahead.

    For some writers, the advance planning and plotting is essential. Some writers require that structure and there is nothing wrong with that. For others of us, plotting in advance is frustrating and, as mentioned, completely unproductive. I know, from talking to other writers who are the plotter type. that they are mystified by us pantsers. To them, it seems an impossible way to write. But it isn’t.

    With respect to talks about writing, the problem isn’t in talking about plotting or pansting or something in between or even some other process entirely, but in speaking as if there is only one method. There’s not. Each writer needs to spend some time trying various methods and arriving at the one that gets the book done for them.

  12. Victoria said on

    Congratulations on your published novels, Carolyn! That’s fun.

    What you’re describing is the fossilization process that’s commonly understood as “plotting,” which gives aspiring writers justification for turning their noses up at structure.

    That’s not plotting.

    I discuss this a lot—A LOT—in The Art & Craft of Fiction. The vast majority of aspiring writers I talk to and deal with have no education in what makes a compelling plot. They sit down and write 70,000 words and then try to compress what they wound up with into a query letter. Then they don’t understand why the get nothing but form rejections (or no rejection at all).

    I’d been writing for over 25 years before I had any idea what makes a compelling plot. It took me about two months to learn.

    There are foundation stones to a gripping story, there are rules of rhythm and timing, there are expectations the reader brings to a novel.They are not rocket surgery.

    They’re part of the thrill!

  13. Bravo! I have walked out of sessions such as you describe. I have attended many conferences, both as an attendee and a presenter. I resent it when a speaker shows up unprepared, and I won’t stay if I think they’re wasting my time. They also may not realize that I will spread the word that they were lousy and discourage folks from inviting them to future workshops and conferences.
    Like you, I have been in the position of wanting to take over the class and give the students what they’re looking for. It is so frustrating. I particularly hate it when I hear people giving bad advice. I want to jump up and scream.
    Thank you so much for posting this.

  14. Cluttery said on

    Maybe the disconnect here is that writing a compelling book and teaching on how to write a compelling book are two very different things. I try to learn by example. Three notable pantsers, who write VERY different books, are Thomas Pyncheon, Lee Child, and Marilynne Robinson.

    A good class will force a student to look at his/her works from a new perspective. But not everyone needs an outline (or formal training) to write beautifully.

  15. Cluttery said on

    Me again. I do agree with Carolyn that a compelling voice can be ruined with plotting and editing. But it can also shine. The novel that comes to mind is “Push” by Sapphire. It’s stunning in its own way. It LOOKS organic, but Sapphire’s process isn’t. I’m interested to see if I can pick the plotters from the pantsers off the shelves at the library. I don’t think I can. But I probably could pick them from the slush pile, is that what you are saying???

  16. I’ve attended many writing conferences and yes, some are better than others. However, I’ve never been let down. I’ve had a new a**hole chewed when I had my first chapter evaluation by a big NYC agent. She pulled no punches…..the shock of it made me go back to my room. But then I sat down and went over everything she said, and by God, she was spot on. I did this 3 years in a row…KNOWING she was going to sign me for a contract. Each time she tore me up. BUT….by listening to her, I did manage to change my manuscript into a novel: In and Out of Madness sold on Amazon.

    I advise everyone to invest in themselves and go to a good writing conference. One of the best is the Harriette P Austin Writing Conference in Athens, GA.

  17. Great, great article. I don’t feel quiet like such a loser now for actually being a plotter!

  18. Victoria said on

    Danielle, you should never feel like a loser for knowing how to plot! An aspiring writer needs every tool in the toolbox.

  19. I have experience with the phenomenom of people believing that outlining kills creativity. I wrote blog post months ago that talked about the differnet writing techniques like “seat-of-the-pants”, outlining, using software, etc. The overwhelming majority of comments were about how anything other than just sitting down and “listening” to your characters was too stifling. I heard a great deal about this at conferences also.

    I’ve had some really great experiences at conferences so far. Professional, courteous, and encouraging editors and agents that really seem to like thier jobs and are passionate about the work. Those conferences were smaller, though, and I’m wondering if that is the reason.

  20. Jean Lewis said on

    Went to Antioch in Ohio many years ago. The keynote speaker was Natalie Goldberg, a woman most respected in the writing community. I was wild to hear her speak. I spent a week in her class. But when she stood up at the end of her keynote and told everyone who had paid to be with her that she would not be having lunch with any of us, had not come to be friends, well, most of us were mortified. It was a shame. I still love her books on writing. And, she tried a fiction book. Totally sucked.

  21. I will admit to attending only one writer’s conference. I gained a good bit of info that was very good but the one thing I wasn’t really wild about was the promised face to face time with the “expert”. To me it was the big draw of the conference but it was the thing that left a semit bad taste in my mouth. While the gentleman was complimentary about my writing style, especially the dialogue portions, he admitted to me first out of the gate that he had no experience or knowledge with the genre I was writing and that he had only read my pre-submitted 50 pages the night before. He knew nothing about the paranormal/fantasy market; couldn’t even give me names of people in the industry who might be interested in it. Hello!? I wanted to ask if he’d been uder a rock for a while but I thought that would be in bad taste so I sucked it up and took away with me the nuggets he could hand out. Does this happen often? I would think if you submit a story in a genre that no one at the conference knows anything about, they could at least have the balls to let you know that ahead of time.




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